Hot topic these days: Cheating.
No no, I don’t mean in a “everyone’s doing it” sort of way, (although I know a few people who are.)
The media uproar over Weiner’s weiner-pic got some people talking about what exactly constitutes cheating. Is taking a picture of your dick and sending it to some people on twitter “cheating”? (my answer is no.)
What exactly even counts as cheating?
I’ve had this conversation with a few people over the past months, and I think it’s interesting how people’s opinions vary. Gotta admit, I’ve heard some draconian, absurd definitions. In this entry, I’ve decided to profile some conversations I had with guys and girls on this subject, then sprinkle in my own thoughts on the subject as well.
First, let’s get this out of the way.
Universally,
· Fucking someone else is cheating
What is cheating, according to: “Molly”, “Wanda”, “Javier”, “Quentin”, “Blue”, and “Barry.”
Molly: Molly is some chick I know, the only girl in this sample who is the same ethnicity as me.
When me and Molly spoke about cheating, I found her definition to be obscenely absurd. I chalked it up to the “bubble” she grew up in, and her religious nature.
According to her, DANCING with someone else constituted cheating. Yes, dancing. Not making out, not fucking, not holding hands or spending hours with, but dancing. I had a good chuckle. I also got a good glimpse into her worldview.
According to Molly, if me and her were in a relationship, I would not be allowed to talk to any girls. Any. Not even Karen, one of my three closest friends. It gets better: IF I were even allowed to go out and party, she demanded she be able to pick me up from wherever I was. Even Vegas.
Well, technically, I guess if you count dancing as cheating, I’d cheat on her every time I go out.
I obviously disagreed. Dancing is dancing. Sure, it may ratchet up the tension, it may grind clothed-genitals on clothed-genitals, and it lets you “preview” the motion in the ocean, but dancing is NOT cheating.
Javier: Javier is a good friend of mine, one who I know very well. We’ve gone on many an adventure together, and IF I ever get married, he would definitely be one of my groomsmen. He also gets laid more than any one non-rockstar human being can. I’m not kidding. The guy is unstoppable.
According to Javier, it’s only “cheating” if you get caught. And if you’re not a dumbass, you won’t get caught. These are pretty self-evident statements I think everyone can agree with.
He never specified a bright-line rule for what actually constitutes cheating. His rationale was this: if you don’t get caught, you’re not cheating, so don’t get caught.
He also had a rationale that “everyone” cheats. Depending on how you define cheating, this is more or less true. He’s cheated (I’m using the fucking-someone-else-definition here) and he’s obviously run into many girls who willingly and surreptitiously cheat on their boyfriends.
Blue: Blue was someone I saw constantly (too constantly) for a short era in my life. Her opinions on cheating really get at what I think is the Girl’s Double-Standard on Cheating.
What double-standard, you say? Basically, girls think it’s okay when they behave in certain ways when they’re with someone, but they do NOT think it’s okay when their guys do the exact same thing. You can deny it, you can twist it, but you ladies know this is true.
According to Blue, it was in a girl’s nature to be pursued by pursuers, while it was in a guy’s nature to pursue. Therefore, it was okay for girls to be stringing along multiple suitors (she even ranked them. Numbers 1 and 2 were the top, while anything below ranged from a “I-have-nothing-better-to-do-tonight” to a simple ego-boost), while it was DEFINITELY not okay for guys to be juggling multiple girls. This made them a “douche”. Her rationale made no sense to me: she explained that she was merely passively responding to other guys pursuing her, while I was actively hunting other girls.
You can’t have it both ways, lady. You can’t use the double standard. If I can do it, I think it’s okay if girls do it too. LIKEWISE, if you girls do it, why can’t I do it too?
Blue had absurd restrictions planned for me like Molly. I wasn’t allowed to talk to other girls (Karen was okay). I was to call and check in every day. I had to let her know who I was with whenever I went to hit the town. Blue also enjoyed reading gchat chat-logs and emails under the rationale of “why, are you creeping around? If you have nothing to hide, it shouldn’t matter, right?”
She decided to “sweeten” the pot by saying she’d comply to these restrictions too. I politely told her to go fuck herself. Lol, we are no longer on speaking terms.
BUT, Blue was interesting because it showed: (1) the depths that some people would go to “prevent” cheating (whatever cheating is), (2) the Girl’s Double Standard, (3) the draconian standard of cheating used (she thought hanging out with another girl excessively constituted cheating).
Quentin: Lest Wanda starts calling me an asshole again, I’m presenting Shady Quent as the FLIP-SIDE of Molly and Blue.
Shady Quent has what I’ll label as an example of the Guy’s Double-Standard.
According to Shady Quent, a girlfriend giving out her number to another guy (for whatever reason) constitutes a form of cheating: PRE-cheating. Girls should not be giving out their numbers to any guys. Therefore, cheating starts with FLIRTING.
I guffawed. First of all, people should be able to give out their numbers to whoever they want, in my opinion. Everybody flirts.
But why is this the Guy’s Double-Standard, you ask? Wellp, Shady Quent takes umbrage at the fact his girlfriend may dare to give her number out to some random dude, but he has no qualms about boning other girls. In this, he applies Javier’s patented “If you don’t get caught, it’s not cheating!” approach.
I’m noticing a pattern here.
I dunno, Quent, if you’re out banging some other girl, I think it’s only fair that she gets to ride other dudes too. You can’t be eating cheesecake while she only gets to eat muffins.
Barry: Barry is a different example from the morally-gray demeanors of Javier and Quentin.
Barry is a self-proclaimed “nice guy”, and for the most part, he is.
But nice guys have exacting standards, and they expect their girls to be “good girls.”
And good girls don’t slut it up. Slutting it up, by definition, includes the obvious: fucking, making out, etc. It ALSO, according to Barry, includes grinding, dancing, getting trashed, and even DRESSING provocatively.
I realize this is going on a derail, so I’ll move it back to the topic at hand.
When Barry is even casually interested in someone (not even seeing, but interested in), he considers it a deal-breaker if she kisses another guy.
I told him that was absurd. People can make out with whoever they want, especially if they are single. If they make out with other people, that’s their prerogative, but he shouldn’t be judging/nexting/nixing them for that.
He disagreed. If a girl he is interested in is making out with another guy, for whatever reason (maybe it was to get his attention?), that is not only reason enough to stop pursuing her, but it is also reason to cut her out of his life.
I consider Barry the analogue to Molly.
Wanda: Wanda more or less used the same Girl’s Double Standard, but not nearly to the same degree as Blue.
She defined cheating by INTENT.
That was interesting. I mean, at first, she didn’t really give an exact definition, so I kept throwing hypos at her. Would it be cheating if a guy stripped naked in the same room as another girl, but there was no touching involved whatsoever? Would it be cheating if a guy was holding hands with another girl in a club? Dancing? Repeat ad nauseum.
She tired of answering these hypos, and distilled everything to intent.
According to her, if a guy was getting a girl’s phone number to be pals, that wasn’t shady. If he was getting another girl’s number for late-night rendezvous, that constituted cheating. Likewise, if he was just dancing to have fun, that was fine, but if he was dancing to get some sweet-potato-pie-preview, that was shady.
Makes sense. I actually liked her definition a lot.
Except I felt she used a far more lenient standard when judging the actions of girls versus the actions of guys ;)
Me: I’m just going to get the definitions out of the way. To me, cheating consists of anything involving topless, bottomless, or heavy petting.
I think Molly, Blue, Quentin, and Barry’s standards of cheatings border on the comical. Dancing is not cheating. Talking is not cheating. Flirting is not cheating. Numbers are not cheating. And if me and a girl I’m into aren’t officially together (and you all know me. I’m never “officially” with anyone) I could give two shits whether she’s making out with someone or getting gangbanged by the entire population of La Mirada.
IF I liked a girl enough to give two shits, they would be Code-Red-Killers, and Code-Red-Killers (only 5 known ones exist, 3 do not reside in this country) don’t do stuff like that, so the point is moo, like a cow’s opinion.
I agree with Quentin and Blue that everyone (guys and girls) always keep a “line-up” around. I disagree with them in that I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. Nobody puts all their eggs in one basket, so what’s the big deal, eh?
Now, cheating is morally wrong, and you shouldn’t do it. Instead of cheating on someone, you should just dump their ass right before you fuck someone else, if even a minute's notice. I don’t know, this is all theoretical to me, since nothing I do technically counts as cheating. But, I understand that some (most?) people consider emotions to be SERIOUSBUSINESSYO and they get all butt-hurt, so simply from an avoiding-drama-efficiently point of view, you shouldn’t do it.
But if you DO decide to do it (and in my experience, there are a lot of you), don’t get caught.